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Re: Salviahusca Method

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:32 pm
by Ulmdorgr
I can't even imagine that experience. Insane!

Re: Salviahusca Method

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 4:10 pm
by RocketeerJim
An 8-hour salvia trip? Nooooo thanks!!!

Ulmy I'm intrigued by your statement: "I'm guessing, based on salvinorin A's toxicity, that it would be safe to experiment with low doses."

I understood Salvinorin A's toxicity to be very low. . . . . was I mistaken??

A user's comment from another forum (http://salviadivinorum.tribe.net/thread ... 822a0915b9):

"I read that some twisted soul was doing animal toxicity studies, trying to find a LD50 for salvinorin. I think they gave up dosing the rats when they figured that the animals were physiologically OK at 50,000 times the equivalent mcg/kg ratio of human experiential threshold. In other words, it is not a "toxic" chemical, even at absurd doses IN ANIMALS. "

Re: Salviahusca Method

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:22 pm
by Ulmdorgr
nivkbecjer is warning about the intensity of the experience. Although it has a 100mcg threshold, that doesn't tell us anything about the intensity of the subjective effects. Then again, I have no personal reference for sublingual effects, so what can I say?

I've smoked more than 5mg, so I would say 5mg is "safe" (psychologically) sublingually. Start smaller if you want.

I also DO NOT recommend high doses for first timers. Come on, please use some common sense (that is to lurkers, not those who have posted in this thread).

Re: Salviahusca Method

PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 11:25 pm
by RocketeerJim
Oh, well, yes, I agree with that last bit, absolutely, Ulmy. Start out small, with bare leaf if possible, and work your way up from there - if you've a mind to. Actually one can obtain a very pleasant experience by smoking the bare leaf. No breakthrough, probably, but more imaginative thinking, more vivid colors, possibly even clearer vision. And a great mood booster for awhile, even for up to a few days afterward.

Re: Salviahusca Method

PostPosted: Tue Sep 06, 2011 7:23 pm
by Ulmdorgr
The problem is not "bare leaf", it's how many leaves. People will only try to smoke a handful, but you're supposed to eat a salad bowl full. Likewise, extracts are like a handful Xwhatever. So a hit of 80x would be a comparative dose orally, but I still think standard oral doses are around 20-100mg. Again, we're experimenting here, so definitely start low.