OK, now I've seen all I want to . . . .

[RocketeerJim]

Whilst SWIM was doing a naphtha wash on an extract from 100gms of SD, and waiting for "settling" to occur, guess what came to SWIM's view on a certain DMT-related site?

The following::::

Hi! A while ago there was discussion about a salvia enema. I finally tried it out and it worked powerfully. I did a crude acetone extract on 10g of dried leaves. After the tar was totally dried, I put about 3 quarters of it in a shot glass. Where to go from there? Well, since I've read that salvia is not soluble in water, I didn't want to use water. I also wasn't going to use alcohol or some other harsh substance as a solution. So, I spit a bunch of times in the shot glass and used my own saliva as a solution in which salvia is soluble.

I squished up the tar with a dropper until it was more like a solution. Then, I took my 1ml dropper, sucked up the solution, and inserted, about 5ml. I lied down and waited. About 20 minutes later, it started kicking in. At first I wondered if it was a placebo effect, but then I was like, "oh, nope, hang on..... this is way too intricate and fiery to be my own normal imagination". I was being flashed by fantastic symbols, in a very salvia-esque fashion. That is to say, they come and go rather quickly. Ayahuasca visions I find are quite stable and have a more recognizable geometry. These symbols were flashing by, and leaving as quickly as they came, and were very asymetrical and incomprehensible... though still beautiful.

My ears started getting that distinct salvia sound wave. To me it sounds something like a continuous oscillating cricket. In the past, I've only had this sound on smoked sessions. It felt like my soul left my body, my body was no longer mine, I was just a body lying in bed and my head was hollowed out. I was opened to the infinity of space where there was nothing but this inner light, the source, that was manifesting reality as I know it.

The sensations became so intense that I started getting a bit concerned. As I was lying in bed, I thought, "oh my God.... am I going to freak out? ....... yep, I think I'm freaking out". By that, I mean I felt I lost control of my mind a bit, and I was at the mercy of whatever the inner world wanted to show me. Emotionally, I did not feel well. The salvia void is a cold, unemotional place.

I was getting odd brain buzzes. I wondered if I had overdosed because I took, likely, the equivalent of over 12mg salvinorin. I became uncomfortable, got up and gave myself an enema to wash out what might not have been absorbed yet. This was about an hour after initially inserting the salvia. The enema was green and the tar sticky. I didn't like the idea that I had this sticku stuff inside me. I felt infected by salvia. There was also some unusual sensations in the lower abdomen and back. I also get this when taking salvia sublingually. Apparently, salvinorin has some kind of effect on enzyme production in the kidneys. It causes an increase in production of something that results in increased urine. But the sensation may have been more uncomfortable utilizing the enema.

So, I believe it may be possible to overdose using this method, which is why I suggest caution. By overdose, I just mean that it is possible to take more salvia than is necessary to achieve the desired effect, resulting in discomfort, or a negative impact on the body. While overdose of salvinorin does not appear to put the body in any acute medical emergency, it may not be good for some organs, brain, or kidneys in particular, so I don't advise large doses of salvia this way.

Ok, folks, step right up and be the first kid on the site to try this novel method. Any volunteers?? Let's hear no more nonsense about tinctures if this method works. You'll definitely be the life of the party as well. Hell, there's going to be a market for Salvinorin A -laced condoms! Think of the possibilities for love-making!

[Ulmdorgr]

Interesting read, but salvia has no direct effect on the kidneys. It often affects the hypothalamus (one of a couple sites for kappa opioid receptors), decreasing the production of AVP/ADH (Arginine vasopressin/anti-diuretic hormone; a.k.a. the anti-piss making chemical), which in turn lets the kidneys run at full blast. Most people sweat, some people wet themselves. Just depends.

[RocketeerJim]

He's just looking for a "fly in the ointment" I think. But what about the methodology? Wonder how much "spit" is required or if any is actually required at all. . .

[Ulmdorgr]

A shot glass doesn't hold much, and he didn't emphasize it, so probably just enough to get 5ml of green goo. His residue after the extraction would have all been solid, so by the time it was able to be put in a dropper it had to have gone through a visible change that indicated to him that he had green residue in a liquid form. 5ml is so small; probably didn't take much.

[nothim]

ok , somewhere on 29th dec 2015 - 10:46
enema you say? 2 handful or more of dried leaves - almost boiled (it did not reach the boiling point but was near to that; kept stirring like 5 or more minutes, till the color of the liquid was more of a brownish tint )into more than half a liter tea.
enema-ed it all - and waited like one or 2 minutes in bed. - I decided to read some stuff while enema -ed , thinking that I will have to keep the liquid inside like 15 minutes for the effects to occur but , no sooner had I taken the electronic book than the effects started(were showing signs of happening) in like 2 minutes. I quickly went bathroom and I hardly came back in bed ---
it blasted me into superspace and felt like I was dying for real. I am affraid I will not describe the experience. On short, it was too much of it.
I will never ever play with that enema again.
so, it works but you have to dose it very carefully.

[RocketeerJim]

Wow, thanks for sharing that experience, oh intrepid psychonaut. I bow deeply and lower my gaze in reverence! Sooooo. I have a big bag of dried leaves from my (former) garden and now I'm going to have to avoid looking at them because they're going to be calling to me and wanting to crawl up my . . . . well, you know.
I'm SUIRE I'll be sorry I asked this question, but . . . . .how long did it last??

BTW, I'd like to resume my entheocultural activities but am having a bit of trouble finding Bob Smith or someone of his calling. Any suggestions, friends??

[nothim]

do not play with it! -- I think I used 100 maybe double amount of dried leaves; I did not count them; it was like a cereal bowl full with dried leaves; and I think , for what I experienced ... that..., I think, 10-20 dried leaves are more than enough for a calm experience. Mine, lasted about 2 hours. The first 30 min or less , were pretty intense , not to mention other words... The rest, the other part of the experience was pretty nice, like we all know it.
I think , this can be done, but with less amount of water in the tea; the body needed to go toilet and it was bad to go bathroom during experience as it happened with me. No, I did not mess around but I struggled a lot not to mess the room , the clothes, the walls, the toilet, the bathroom...; and walking bathroom and back was like Vlad Tepes came and impaled my arse with a pole and shout : now walk ! imagine that! lol I walked like a sleepwalking; I also had a crap music, because I was unprepared , and that(the music) did not help my mood at all.... this is what happens when you go fishing unprepared; you get swallowed by a giant fish....

[RocketeerJim]

Okay, I will take your advice and not mess with it. However, if you ever repeat the experience more conservatively . . . such as with 1/10 the dose, please report on it.