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Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby SF » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:59 pm

I am really interested in obtaining Ilex Guayusa which is a plant related to yerba mate.
If you have or know where to get plants or seeds please contact me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_guayusa
http://teagrad.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Guayusa_Tree.jpg
http://files.shroomery.org/files/11-003/558205263-Caffeine26AntioxidantCombinedComparisonCharts.jpg
http://guayusa.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/s6003941.jpg

This is a picture of the real thing for sure. http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/6077866911/in/set-72157627388154529
This source sells the tea on there site. Here http://www.runa.org/home.aspx
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant

Postby RocketeerJim » Thu Nov 03, 2011 2:12 pm

Try this link:
http://www.kiwiboancaya.net/index.php?r ... ry&path=35
scroll down just a bit.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant

Postby SF » Fri Nov 04, 2011 10:35 am

RocketeerJim wrote:Try this link:
http://www.kiwiboancaya.net/index.php?r ... ry&path=35
scroll down just a bit.


Thanks for the help RocketeerJim, To bad though because a lot of people are saying his Guayusa from KIWI is not true Guayusa.
The plant is selling is most likely not Guayusa, i would like to get one from a really good source that can guarantee its the real thing. However this plant may be a nice one to have that contains caffeine but i am only after the real thing.

I did look at pictures and try to do some comparisons but his picture is lower quality than i would like to have.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant

Postby nothim » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:03 pm

try to get this :

http://urushop.co.uk/urushop/products/8 ... l-1kg.aspx

not sure where to search the exact type in USA.

it is the best of them all , i must say i quit drinking it cause it kept me(made me) watching at the walls during the night, very good stimulant. I love it. And if you have a job to do but you can not be arsed to do it , this will definetly help .
The taste is not so impressive if you drink it simple , i use to mix it with lemon balm[or if you are kickass you can use jasmine flowers and green tea] - (one table spoon rosamonte and one lemonbalm {or lemongrass the softer version} and honey)--after the water boils , i let it aside for a few seconds and after that i just pour it over the tea, i leave it like 2 minutes and add the honey after that, ---and yes , you need a bombilla . I heard it goes well with spices as well , like cinnamon , cloves or pepper and ginger but i never tried it like that. So , yes , very powerful stimulant!
they have got the live tree here in France but i chose the 1 kilo sack instead lol , much more convenient , no fertilizer needed , no mess , and i balanced it --- the cost would have been the same
it was made as a present to some mates of mine and ... they lo;) 've become addicted!
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant

Postby SF » Sun Nov 06, 2011 2:33 pm

I love Yerba Mate. I am planning on buying a few seeds next summer. I would really like to get my own going so that i can harvest leaves one day. I am drinking a really good kind of yerba mate now but it doesn't have such a strong taste as the others.
The label is in spanish and i think its from Argentina. I will check and post here what brand it is later.

The reason i am looking for Guayusa is because it contains 2% caffeine i believe it contains more than any other plant. This plant also makes your dreams come alive at night. you can recall or remember all your dreams apparently, this is a shamanic plant to stimulate your dreaming. I have read a few really good reports of this herb. i look forward to trying my own one day. I just want to make sure what i am growing is True Guayusa and not something similar or expected to be. I guess i will have to do a proper id on the plant if i can get enough information about it. I am not a botanist by any means but i will give it my best
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby DanG » Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:45 pm

I bought 3 seedlings from http://www.kiwiboancaya.net and all are alive.
If this is not ilex guayusa or even Ilex paraguariensis then i don't know what it is. Too early to tell for a tea sample.
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Compared mine to runa plantation's and it is definitely not guayusa.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529

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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby SF » Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:10 pm

DanG this is still a very interesting plant. He did say it contains a lot of caffeine so it would be nice to have it analyzed to see just what it has and how much of it.

It would be nice to have the true id of this plant as well. Anyone know how we could start trying to narrow it down? maybe by leaf shape?
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby SF » Mon Nov 28, 2011 12:40 pm

So The Hunt Continues. I hope we find a source for this sacred holly. I have read that the seeds are rare and not that viable. Turns out that Ilex Guayusa is mostly grown from rooted cuttings.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby hesicos » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 am

****Edited By SF*** The Pictures I(SF) Posted Are The Real Deal.

Hi guys, take a look in the bottom page for real guayusa photos:

http://www.ville-ge.ch/cjb/bd/aqf/speci ... ayus_c.htm

I'm looking for seeds too... thks.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby hesicos » Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:45 am

Dang, this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529) seems to be Ilex paraguariensis, not guayusa.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby Zaka » Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:06 am

DanG wrote:I bought 3 seedlings from http://www.kiwiboancaya.net and all are alive.
If this is not ilex guayusa or even Ilex paraguariensis then i don't know what it is. Too early to tell for a tea sample.
Compared mine to runa plantation's and it is definitely not guayusa.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529

Oh well :)

Irie,
Yeah, this site is becoming infamous for incorrect id's.
This is looking like a Piper spp. of some kind....especially the photo on their site.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby DanG » Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:52 pm

DanG wrote:I bought 3 seedlings from http://www.kiwiboancaya.net and all are alive.
If this is not ilex guayusa or even Ilex paraguariensis then i don't know what it is. Too early to tell for a tea sample.
1.jpg
2.jpg
3.jpg



Compared mine to runa plantation's and it is definitely not guayusa.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529

Oh well :)


It's piper callosum. Really far off from Guaysua but it's still a plant with medicinal value.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby Zaka » Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:43 pm

DanG wrote:It's piper callosum. Really far off from Guaysua but it's still a plant with medicinal value.

Irie,
Nice one DanG.
Yeah didn't have time to nail it!
but I knew it had to be a piper of some kind as I feed my rabbits everyday with several wild piper spp.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby SF » Fri Jan 06, 2012 4:03 pm

hesicos wrote:Dang, this (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529) seems to be Ilex paraguariensis, not guayusa.


How can you be sure?

You know the uploader of that picture sells Guayusa all over the world from his site.
http://www.runa.org/home.aspx

If what your saying is true than he is selling yerba mate and marketing it as Guayusa?

If what your saying is true than wikipedia is wrong as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilex_guayusa
From the picture on wikipedia it looks identical to the one your claiming is yerba mate.

I know someone who has a legit Guayusa and i will inform him of this post, i hope we can get some real answers soon.
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Re: Looking For Ilex Guayusa Seeds or Live Plant Wanted

Postby SF » Fri Jan 06, 2012 5:52 pm

Hey Guys

Great news here. I just talked to DocGreen and he has confirmed the pictures that i posted are in fact the real Ilex Guayusa.
No more doubts about which plant is which.
REAL Ilex Guayusa http://www.flickr.com/photos/drinkruna/ ... 7388154529
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